Posted by ShopMesh on 1st February 2010

Starting an internet business, learn from my mistakes

Starting an internet business, learn from my mistakes

The aim is to build a business that I can run from anywhere in the world. First up was silk tie retailing with www.tiespecialist.com selling handmade English woven silk ties. I started this in December 05 and have learnt a hell of a lot since then making many mistakes. By February the silk tie business was starting to break and I started to feel like I knew what I was doing so I have launched an oil painting retailer www.artspecialist.co.uk just over a week ago. This site is selling handpainted oil paintings that are reproductions of masterpieces by famous artists.

Getting to break even has been much harder than I thought it would be, the first thing I learnt that the marketing spend to get people to come to your site is large and it is very easy to lose money on every sale. Getting that advertising cost down and conversion rate up are the two factors to focus on.
When I was thinking about starting an internet business there were a few things that were must have requirements.

The first one was that I needed to be able to get the business to profitability for less than a £1000. In practice each site has cost more than that when you figure in the marketing costs needed to get it off the ground quickly. The silk tie retailing site was set up for less than £200 but when you factor in marketing spend, then I have spent almost £500 per month on marketing, mostly Google Adwords and Overture. It is only after month three that I have got close to breaking even. Anyway, near enough and if you are more patient and make less costly mistakes than me then you should be able to do it for less.

Secondly. The business had to need as little manual work as possible. I am after a business that I can start working part time and as am a management consultant and sell my time by the hour, for me time really is money. I am also not keen on hiring people if I can avoid it. The internet has the potential to offer some really virtual businesses and I wanted to use this. For this reason as well as start-up costs this means that I do not want to stock or handle any products. I do a lot of supply chain consulting work so it was obvious to me that I could have a business that used other companies to buy, store and deliver the products. The easiest way to do this is by using dropshipping. Dropshippers are wholesalers that ship individual customer orders direct to your customers.

There is a lot of information on dropshipping online, however it has to be said that there are some terrible dropshipping companies where prices are too high or products too common to successfulull. Typical of these is thSelect which charges a fee to join, but once you join you find that the prices are often higher than they are being sold for on eBay and are widely sold with lots of competition. It is very hard to make good money from these sort of dropshippers. There are however some good companies out there with niche products where achievable margins are good.

The third requirement was that the business needed to have the potential to generate at least £1k per month in profit. That way with a few web businesses it could become my full time job. I decided that I was not trying to start the next Amazon, instead I was after a good profitable niche. Something not too competitive and with no house-hold names as competitors. This means that I have not gone into electronics even though it is the area I know the best, it is a very competitive market online and were competition includes Amazon and Dixons. To be successful in electronics you either need to find a niche not served by the big boys or spend serious money to get established.

I then started searching for business ideas. I read the get rich quick newsletters, internet marketing newsletters, internet business forums and drop shipping websites. I searched for dropship suppliers then when I found a product that I thought might be promising, did a search for it and checked out the competition. If after that it still looked interesting then I did a keyword search on Google AdWords to find out how many clicks I could get and at what cost.

While doing this I came across some sites selling ready-made business websites. Essentially they provide a shop template, a catalogue and a supplier of stock and off you go. These sell for between £50 ($80) and £500 ($800). I wasted a fair bit of money with a couple of false starts. I bid on a lingerie web business template on eBay with a starting price of £99; my wife was a lingerie merchandiser for Marks & Spencers and so I though she could help, then I saw a gadgets website from the same people and thought I would get that and see if I could find a gadgets niche and bid for that too. Trouble was I then did some more research and found that lingerie was very competitive online and that the supplier I would be getting had a limited selection of very tarty undies at rather high prices. I also found that the gadget supplier was the Select and as I have already said they are overpriced. I then found the tie web business and decided this was a better niche where margins really are 60% and bought that one (silk ties from www.tiespecialist.com) from DpbUK who have been very good. Unfortunately no one else bid on the two on eBay and I ended up winning them although I no longer wanted them. £200 wasted. Oops. So do your carefulcarefull before buying; look carefully at the sample sites and try and find some clues to the suppliers, check the competition out and make sure the margins are high enough.

Hope you enjoyed the article, look out for the rest of the article series and check out my blog at http://specialist-paintings-ties.blogspot.com/.

Question about business learning

Can I claim a Lifetime Learning Credit and a business deduction for work-related education?
I have nearly $15,000 in education expenses for 2009. Can I use $10,000 of that expense towards the Lifetime Learning credit to get the maximum, and then use the remaining $5000 to claim a business deduction for work-related education for which I qualify? I can't get a clear answer.

    5 Responses

  1. psychic says:

    Nonsense, China its destroying our economy with dumping and trust… Yeah lets go to China say the Soviet EU slogan repeated by all past left wing and european socialist partyes; so in this way all economy went in crysis thanks to China, will collaspe definitely and we will talk all chinese before dinner..NO THANKS !!!

    who was then the Soviet European Union colludes with China is something well-known.
    Flexibility ? Better say illegal underestimate of labor cost, slavery and much propaganda.

  2. Your first stop should be eBay's Guide to Seller Services http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/services.html

    eBay's Seller Central has all the resources you need to learn about the basics of selling on eBay http://pages.ebay.com/sellercentral/index.html

    The key to a successful eBay selling is simple — Sell products that people actually want.

    If you want to earn serious money from eBay, you need to have a well-thought out business model. Selling on ebay is getting tougher — just look at the number of auctions that closes without a bid. Go to the boards on ebay and you will hear even oldtimers complaining about how stiffer competition plus higher fees make it so much harder to sell on ebay.

    One success model of ebay is the couple Jay and Marie Senese (username jayandmarie) of the 1-cent CD fame. They have the highest positive feedback number of all sellers on eBay. Their business model is to buy very low cost CDs in bulk (those that CD stores sell in their discount bins) and offer them on ebay at a starting price of 1 cent http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_23/b3886080.htm Their success is based on the fact that they stumbled on a sustainable business model with products that people really want.

    eBay has several ways for you to determine exactly what the hot items to sell on their marketplace:

    Items In Demand = the most popular items currently within that particular category. To see the In Demand page, go to http://pages.ebay.com/sellercentral/sellbycategory.html

    Hot Items by Category Report = a monthly report that lists the fastest growing categories on eBay for the previous month. Go to http://pages.ebay.com/sellercentral/whatshot.html and select "Hot Items by Category" from the menu on the left.

    eBay Pulse = "a daily snapshot of current trends, hot picks, and cool stuff on eBay". Go to http://pulse.ebay.com/ to see eBay Pulse in action.

    Merchandising Calendar = eBay promotes specific categories on its home page each month. Savvy eBayers know that this home page exposure results in more interest in such categories. Go to http://pages.ebay.com/sellercentral/calendar.html to view the current Merchandising Calendar.

    As for items to sell, you can:

    1. Buy bulk liquidation items such as those at Liquidation.com. The capitalization may be big, but the idea is to sell the items individually and profit from it.

    2. Find manufacturers of items you want to sell and buy discounted items from them

    3. Make deals with retailers in your area, and offer to buy their unwanted items for deep discounts. jayandmarie – the most successful ebay sellers – made deals with music stores where they will buy the entire inventory in the discounted bins, and then sold the items on ebay for 1-cent starting bid.

    4. Look for possible partners on the Web, preferably outside of the US. Import items from them and sell them on ebay. There's huge profits to gain from this approach.

    5. Check out deals from outlet stores. Focus on brand names, which you will find to be easier to sell.

  3. guzen says:

    lmao u talk so much shit. stop embarassing urself dumbass

  4. nacao says:

    Flexibility is the one they had in America and UK where the laws and labor law matter, not the Chinese of hyper corporatism so dear to the WTO and the EU.

  5. Jennifer!!!! says:

    Here's the FIRST issue,

    "My decision to apply to Syracuse was prompted by business school rankings from Businessweek."

    My edit would have read,

    "Business school rankings from "Businessweek" influenced my decision to apply to Syracuse."

    Second issue,

    "I narrowed my college list based on this information, looked up Syracuse University’s website to gather detail information and realized that Syracuse University is the idealist place to me."

    My edit would have read,

    "I narrowed my college list based on this information, looked up Syracuse University’s website to gather detailed information, and realized that Syracuse University is the ideal place for me."

    Here's the third issue,

    "I also like the fact that the schools were evaluated well among the job-recruiters."

    My edit would have read,

    "Job-recruiters evaluated the schools well, too."

    Here's the fourth issue,

    "I mainly work in the office as an Intern staff to assist customers and interpret English documents for purchasing the department."

    My edit would have read,

    "My work in the office involved working on the intern staff to assist customers and interpret English documents for the purchasing department."

    Doing the rest of the edits isn't worth the ten points that doing so may earn me. If you want the balance, we're going to need to use PayPal, and it's going to cost you a little money. Let's say $15. Or you can use the "edits" you're getting from everyone else and ignore my offer. *shrug* The decision is yours. No one is holding a gun to-your-head. *wink*

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